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Oded
02-19-2005, 06:38 PM
Some first impression about this somewhat unusual knife...

Steel: Aoko #1B (1.2% - 1.3% Carbon)
Manufacturing method: Forge laminated, hand hammered. Forging is done with the same traditional methods used for the limited edition HAYATE and AYA
Blade shape: similar to other large deba such as the Mioroshi.
Blade length: 210mm nominal 203mm actual.
Blade thickness: 3mm at the heel side of the spine.
Handle: Ebony, octagon.
Balance: 2mm behind the heel, about 10mm in front of the handle.
Weight: Unknown.
Finish: in one word: impeccable.
The blade is mirror finish on both sides (very unusual) the spine is well rounded. Altogether it looks absolutely astonishing.
The handle is chunkier then other traditional handles including those found on most Suisin knives. I have not measured it but it feels comparable to the one I have made which measures 28mm x 24mm on the thick (back) side. The finish of the handle is comparable to other Japanese maker - good but not as good as my home made handles. It is possible to feel the contact point between the Buffalo horn ferrule and the wood when passing the thumb on it. I do not feel that when holding and using the knife. And with all fairness, I could not expect any of these manufacturers to invest as much time finishing the handle as I do. I will probably take it to the workshop one day and polish the handle to my standard. One thing I have noted is the wood is not stripy like typical Macasar Ebony but I guess it could still be within the variation of the species.

This knife is my take on a general purpose, single bevel knife. While double bevel is normally used for Wa-gyutos I decided to try for myself if the advantages of the single bevel would be worth the learning curve of using it.
I have not used the knife allot yet – just cut few vegetables with it for a salad. My first impression is that this thing is SHARP, possibly, even sharper then Watanabe’s togidashi and that is something I did not think is possible.
I have tried both push-chopping and slicing and it does both happily, with the weight of knife together with the amazing edge doing the work. I was there merely pointing it in the right direction.
I am really still learning the knife, using slowly and carefully until I have a better feel for it. Tatsuya Aoki from Suisin has warned me that the Aoko #1 is more prone to chipping then the #2 due to higher percentage of Carbon. Also, in order to keep weight to a minimum, they have agreed to make the blade 3mm thick, thinner then what is usually used for such knife. Time will tell if the risks I was taking are worth it or not.

Fred
02-19-2005, 06:49 PM
Great review, Thanks. Is this the same knife you had images for in an earlier post? I'd be interested in your feelings about using a single bevel knife for chopping after you've gotten accustomed to it. It seems to me it would take same practice.

Oded
02-19-2005, 06:56 PM
Same knife indeed.
It did feel 'different' when chopping but my regular chopping knife is very different - the Shun wide Santuko. And, as I said, I am treating it with utmost care and that contributed to the unnatural feeling as well.
I will definitely revisit this post once I got accustomed to the knife. I want to have an answer for the same question myself - as a matter of fact this is one of my reason for getting this knife.

hien
02-15-2008, 12:59 PM
i have been looking for a good funayuki awhile now... where can i purchase one of those?

thombrogan
02-15-2008, 01:26 PM
www.suisin.co.jp

www.yamashoinc.com

www.korin.com

nzfoodie
02-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Out of interest, why use a deba, which is amazingly well designed for fish butchery, on harmless vegetables, where the time-honed design on a nakiri or usuba is optimal? Kind of like using a tennis racquet to play squash IMHO.

EDIT: Wait a sec - do you mean the Deba (http://www.korin.com/product.php?pid=433&cat=53&subcat=8&subsubcat=&df=knife&catname=Purposes&subcatname=Fillet%2FButcher%20Knife%20%28Deba%29&subsubcatname=&mnum=HSU-ID1021) or the Funayuki (http://www.korin.com/product.php?pid=985&cat=53&subcat=33&subsubcat=&df=knife&catname=Purposes&subcatname=Funayuki&subsubcatname=&mnum=HSU-ST-FU195)?

thombrogan
02-15-2008, 09:02 PM
The originator of this thread hasn't logged in to Foodie Forums since September 2005.

hien
02-16-2008, 12:09 AM
lol... sorry... i got into this post through google search.

it's personal reference!.. actualy i had a Takeda Funayaki and it's perfect for cut sushi rolls... so i want another. :P

i email korin, but they only have the white steel version. I want blue steel so it stay sharp longer. White steel usualy only last for one night work.

kcma
02-16-2008, 03:44 AM
and blue steel would last 2? shouldnt you sharpen daily anyway? :)

blwchef
02-16-2008, 03:53 AM
I miss Oded. He always had some cool stuff to contribute.

Moritaka can make you a doulble bevel funayuki out of AS or blue #1 or #2.
http://park12.wakwak.com/~moritaka/index_en.html

I used to use my Carter funayuki for rolls. Most guys I know use either short 240mm sujihikis, or 180-210mm gyutos.

hien
02-16-2008, 11:14 AM
and blue steel would last 2? shouldnt you sharpen daily anyway? :)

yes.. i used to used white only, and i have to sharp almost daily. i am sicken tired of it.... blue does last me 2-3 days (mizuno usuba last at least week), and i have 2 knives on each kind so i sharp maybe once a week now... work out greatt!! lolz


BLWCHEF: ... yes, funayaki cut roll great!... i checked Moritaka, they don't have funayaki lis on their catalog. should i request it?

sakeen7
02-16-2008, 01:54 PM
The originator of this thread hasn't logged in to Foodie Forums since September 2005.

I know - I was happy to see another Israeli on the forum (I only knew of one other) untill I saw the date...