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    Default grind on richmond ultimatum?

    I was looking at pics of the ultimatum at CKTG and it looks like there is a secondary bevel on the right side of the knife, kinda similar to the way Murray Carter grinds his wabocho? Anyone handled one of these up close?

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    The primary bevel, or grind, is quite convex, the same way Murray grinds all his Western knives (not just his wabocho). The Ultimatum has a higher degree of polish, so it's harder to see, but here are a few pics that may show it.







    Food release is excellent, at the expense of some wedging when using the heel area.

    Rick

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    So I'm guessing this is first hand knowledge. What do you think about this knife and did you go carbon or stainless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99Limited View Post
    So I'm guessing this is first hand knowledge. What do you think about this knife and did you go carbon or stainless?
    I have the 19C27 version. Fit and finish are better than the first generation Addict - no glob of epoxy where the tang enters the handle. The spine is nicely rounded and smoothed, as is the ricasso/choil area. No work needed there, unlike every Carter I've ever gotten.

    As I mentioned, the food release is excellent, because of the grind, but it does not "fall through" food like a Carter or a DT ITK.

    It's not a tall knife, only 45mm at the heel. The profile narrows to a needle point, like Carter's funayuki profile.

    I'm not a pro, so my estimation of edge retention doesn't mean much, but in two weeks of use, I haven't felt the need to freshen the edge.

    For the price, it's a pretty good knife. Mark should sell a bunch of them.

    Rick

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    Thanks for review. I'm thinking about grabbing one of the M390's when they come in.

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    Not trying to highjack the thread but I just got some of the addict generation 2 and the thiness of the blade is similar to the legend and no longer wedges in taters. The addick 2 is a 180 degree improvement and people shouldn't overlook this new knife. Jmbullman

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    Yup i can vouch for that, i have an addict 2 and the 154 cm steel feels quite hard on the stones, it was not that easy to grind on. it is thin and tne blade is also quite tall at the heel, 55mm on the 240mm .

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    I really need one when they come out in M390.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jmbullman View Post
    Not trying to highjack the thread but I just got some of the addict generation 2 and the thiness of the blade is similar to the legend and no longer wedges in taters. The addick 2 is a 180 degree improvement and people shouldn't overlook this new knife. Jmbullman
    I agree that the Addict 2 is quite thin and cuts exceptionally well. It's also nicely rounded on the spine and the handle is nicely finished as well. The cpm154 is a little extra work on the stones, but will take quite an edge. I just can't get used to the light weight of the wa-handled knives. That's why
    mine's in the FS section now.

    If the Ultimatum brings the same attention to detail, and evolves based on customer input like the Addict, then I'm sure it'll be a good performer.

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    I would like to hear a review if anyone gets the M390 Gyuto.It seems that some of the high end stainless have different properties.Only time on the board can be a test of the strength's of a particular steel.

    One thing is for sure there are some very good stainless,but it is not cheap,even small folder blades in M390 are in the 200.00 range.

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