Look on this page http://knifeforums.com/forums/showto...d/771809/tp/5/ The standard version is marked mb2.jpg then down near the bottom after Dave reprofiled it is marked takeda1.jpg.
Menkiribocho sizes:
Length: 245mm
Width: 90mm
Spine: 6mm - unknown
Weight: 444 grams
Chukabocho sizes:
Length: 225mm
Width: 110mm
Spine: 3.5mm to 1mm
Weight: 420 grams
Under the Review section he also has a direct comparison between the two cleavers. As a matter of fact they are the first to he compares.
Joe
Many thanks for the clarification! I had seen the reviews but also wanted to see the edge refinement. My education continues and the previous comments make me more confident to deal with current and future blade issues.
For now, I need to get back to more mainstream choices and they will definitely be positive performers based on so many helpful posts here.
Thank-you for you persistent assistance.
Tom B
I'm confused...are you more interested (infatuated) with a cleaver...or a Takeda? Since you follow Andy777's discussions you know the Suien VC at about 130 or the Tojiro DP at about 180 are very highly regarded...and you'ld get a full blade vs. 1/3 of a blade. As to mainstream choices...come on - the cleaver feeds 20% of the world population - thats gotta be mainstream!
i really like dead flat edges.
C-Dawg
"The falling leaf does not hate the wind."
Exactly right Mike how can 1,313,973,713 Chinese be wrong.
Joe
Sometimes my meaning comes thru badly. What I mean is exactly what you say ..... in spite of the Takeda strengths, I have always needed to keep this purchase closer to $100. than $200. For awhile it seemed like there were some very low-cost possibilities, but for our use it has become clear that a Japanese version is most comfortable ... for many reasons.
My final choices are very different. A Misono 61 may do many of our jobs quite nicely and there are $$ left over to add a western deba (Susuin Inox) if necessary. Our preferred cleaver choice is Tojiro F-1920 DP, especially if Koki (or someone) could pick one out that is as light as Andy's test version (475 grams). I hope to get one ordered today.
I know I'm being picky, but it's my money and I'm the one (and my stir-fry partner) who will have to live with it.
Sorry for the poor communication.
Tom B
Why do I feel my leg may be being pulled ??Originally Posted by C-Dawg
Actually, I would have ordered the Takeda today if there had been any real support for the Menkiribocho (as Takeda-san crafts it).
unfortunately, my noodle-cutting interests are decreasing with age ....
Tom B
i'm dead serious! really!
honestly. i know a lot of people don't like it, but i really do. because of the way i cut, i prefer flat flat flat. it's much easier on me and my knives.
i started using a "heel chop" technique because my knives would always get stuck into the cutting boards at work and at home. it's like a push chop without the push. just straight up and down with tip on the board.
i really like it flat.
C-Dawg
"The falling leaf does not hate the wind."
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CRUD !!! It's been tough sorting comments since there is so much variation in technique as well as application. I (we) will use this 'cleaver' mainly for CHOPPING a wide range of product, not for slicing. I just do not have the experience to separate the adverse comments in terms of how they are based. Your 'heel chop' sounds very much like how we would be using this flat blade and you are actually making a 'benefit' out of it.
Whether it's worth the extra initial cost .... plus any incremental profiling .... is a tough one now.
Thaks for the clarification and instruct!
Tom B
I often feel like a moron at the end of my threads like this! I get so focused on one specific action or issue that I lose perspective and make it more than it really is.
The posts here end up exactly like I could have expected after the very similar thread on Takeda 'standard' and 'small belly' Gyutos. They work well for some not for others ..... but could work well for all with a different cutting style.
I do appreciate the generous and thoughful responses which make me realize that I should budget some extra $$ and have both blades for some time to see what works best for me. I don't comfortably throw around extra $200. bills, but these finer blades seem to resell quite well.
Many thanks for steering me to a more learned place!
BTW ... Koki-san is doing his well-advertised extra effort and finding me a Tojiro F-920 DP which is on the lighter side (~/<$500gms). I hope to have it on order next week.
Tom B
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