Cladded INOX Stainless ... ???
I may be having a new Sujihiki 300 made. The maker states .... 'Inox stainless steel sandwiched with stainless soft steel'. One top alternative was Tadatsuna INOX which I though to be a 'single-steel' blade (albeit not honyaki).
Can anyone comment on the SS 'cladded' INOX approach and any experiences? It might suggest a thicker blade which may not be ideal for a 'slicer' ..... although other makers clad their carbon core with SS ...
Tom B
Tojiro DP knives are stainless-clad INOX knives (19C27, baby! Yeah!) and they range from thickish parers and nakkiri to thin gyutos and Blazen uses soft stainless over their powdered steel wares. The soft stainless (aka the Scratch Magnet) is easy to grind away should your knife need thinning.
-Thom Brogan
"I knew you before you knew you had hands!" ~Tracey Brogan
Serenity Prayer - Calvin's Edition: For the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to know the difference. ~Bill Watterson
...... 'scratch magnet'The comparable Tadatsuna 'single steel' INOX should not have such tendencies.
Tom B
No, it wouldn't. Soft steel scratches easier.
-Thom Brogan
"I knew you before you knew you had hands!" ~Tracey Brogan
Serenity Prayer - Calvin's Edition: For the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to know the difference. ~Bill Watterson
Huge amounts of info from my earlier Thread have 'shaped' my thinking and narrowed choices. I remain unclear about Tadatsuna's approach and implied strengths in this 'Carving Knife' given their 'single steel' INOX blade.
What is the Yang to Tadatsuna's Yin ?
Tom B
With Hitachi and Takefu (among others) making steels that have a thin, high-carbon core and low-carbon sides, it's easier for the makers to offer a knife with a thin, hard edge for performance with a profile and overall geometry that's easier for them to grind and polish into a pleasing form. Something like a solid piece of VG-1, 19C27, or Ginsanko hardened in the low to mid 60s of the RC scale - it's going to take longer to grind, much longer to polish, wear out abrasives and motors at a faster rate (now you know why CPM-10V isn't a standard knife steel) as well as the people finishing the work pieces. Make that same steel less than a millimeter wide and wrap it in some 410 or 420 class stainless or ink pattern Damascus and the performance of the knife is the same, but there are less people with aggravated carpal tunnel buying less new grinding belts and replacement motors.
But I'm not trying to help anyone look at anyone else's yang, you perv.
-Thom Brogan
"I knew you before you knew you had hands!" ~Tracey Brogan
Serenity Prayer - Calvin's Edition: For the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to know the difference. ~Bill Watterson
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kc ... some day ....
Thom ... so one can conclude that Tadatsua's INOX or Suisin's INOX (honyaki) are sound choices given this required 'extra' effort versus others' quality, cladded' versions. Perhaps not major noticeable user sensations, but at the maker input side nonetheless.
(btw .. the maker is Heiji-san and I have just had a long term 'thing' about having him make me a knife)
(and then one can always spend extra cash on DrNaka's new find ...... Suehiro New Stone Gokumyou) ....don't give me a bad time .....
Tom B
We could, but the steel at the edge is what matters for the cut. Everything else is there to add mass and volume where it is hoped will be providing a mechanical advantage. The cladding gets in the way of highly asymmetric sharpening and being furtively vain (a cleaning monosteel gyuto is a looker, but not an active attention seeker like a damascus-clad bubbadoo).Originally Posted by Q_Egg
so one can conclude that Tadatsua's INOX or Suisin's INOX (honyaki
Explain your concerns to this Heiji and see what he says. You've been spoiled by the hard, oxide scale on your kurouchi wares and a monosteel suji could help prevent an unnecessary humbling. Who needs that for big bucks spent on an ultra high-end booboo snipper?
Confused here. How/why would I give you a bad time about new stones? I try only doing that to myself and the occasional stone seller.(and then one can always spend extra cash on DrNaka's new find ...... Suehiro New Stone Gokumyou) ....
-Thom Brogan
"I knew you before you knew you had hands!" ~Tracey Brogan
Serenity Prayer - Calvin's Edition: For the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to know the difference. ~Bill Watterson
Is the Aritsugu-A Suji 275 (aframestokyo) a 'single'steel' blade AND a SS compromise in terms of the stated 7% chromium ?? Seems like a 'practical' buyer would find the price point ($238. shipped) very hard to pass.
Tom B
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